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watruw8ing4
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This about sums it up for me.

An Open Letter To ‘Mr.’ Trump: WTF Is Wrong With You!?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/an-open-letter-to-mr-trum_b_13633110.html?

Yup. Aside from being a little over the top with the hyperbole, that sums it up nicely for me.

"Oh, and because of you I now have to add the word “emoluments” to my vocabulary." ~~
At least he's managed to advance my lexicon. So, there is that. 🙂

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Posted : December 18, 2016 2:35 pm
JohnnyU
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Geez, I remember when to not accept the results of an election was a direct threat to our democracy

I guess 6 weeks is an eternity

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Posted : December 18, 2016 3:15 pm
watruw8ing4
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Geez, I remember when to not accept the results of an election was a direct threat to our democracy

I guess 6 weeks is an eternity

I've accepted the results, and promise not to undermine the republic, so you can chill. I only hope that Congress does not allow the IIC to undermine it too badly.

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Posted : December 18, 2016 3:33 pm
Alana33
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Donald Trump has announced that on December 15 he will hold a press conference to reveal to the world his plan to address the many conflicts of interest between his vast business empire and his new role as president. Trump has indicated that he will remove himself from the daily “business operations” of the Trump Organization—but not sell off his holdings or create a truly blind trust. (Please note, he cancelled this particular press conference.)

Ethics experts have criticized this approach because Trump would continue to own his properties, benefiting from their success and suffering from their losses. He would know when his policy decisions and actions—or those of others (including corporations and foreign governments)—could affect his assets. Consequently, he would not be separating his presidential decision-making from his own personal financial circumstances. Yet, arguably, the biggest conflicts he faces aren’t related to what he owns. Rather, they relate to what he owes.

Below is a list of all the financial players that Trump owes money to and how much Trump directly has borrowed from each one. This roster is based on publicly available loan documents:

Deutsche Bank: $364 million
Ladder Capital: $282 million
Investors Savings Bank: $23 million
Amboy Bank: $16 million
Chevy Chase Trust Holdings: $10 million
Bank of New York Mellon Trust: $9.25 million
Royal Bank of Pennsylvania: $8 million
Merrill Lynch: Less than $750,000
This list does not include an estimated $2 billion in debt amassed by real estate partnerships that include Trump. One of those loans is a $950 million deal that was cobbled together by Goldman Sachs and the state-owned Bank of China—an arrangement that ethics experts believe violates the Constitution’s emolument clause, which prohibits foreign governments from providing financial benefits to federal officials.
see rest of story here

https://theintellectualist.co/mother-jones-trump-owes-least-3b-creditors-including-chinese-govt/

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Posted : December 18, 2016 8:08 pm
daveb722
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You do realize that congress can hold stock in companies and vote on legislation that affects these companies therfore affecting thier stock positions? So what makes this any different?

Just an example:
https://www.statnews.com/2015/12/01/congress-pharmaceutical-investment/

But you hate the man so much, you can never make a valid argument against him. I'm not his biggest fan, but I will let him show me what he is made of and in 4 years, I can make my judgement through my vote. He may not be perfect, but neither was your Hope and Change President, but you seem to let that lack of promise slide.

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Posted : December 18, 2016 10:13 pm
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Posted : December 18, 2016 10:38 pm
speee1dy
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saw that last week and thought it was perfect

also, some of the electoral college are getting death threats. interesting, dont you think , that the left has resorted to this type of behavior. yet you all have no problem calling trump a bully.do you really think that type of rhetoric is helpful. imagine the crap that would be said if the shoe were on the other foot and it was trump spouting all this nonsense.

what exactly do you fear from him.
do you think hes going to round up people and put them in camps.

come on, that type of behavior and speak is not only stupid it is dangerous.

and you really think its fair if from now on only california gets a vote in who is president and on the issues that affect us all.

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Posted : December 19, 2016 10:53 am
Alana33
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Actually, threats are coming from trumplethinskin/his team to the Electoral College members who may decide to vote against certifying him
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What I think is dangerous is who he has selected for the various heads of departments. The same people who those regulatory agencies are supposed to protect us from.

What I think is dangerous is that he has way too many conflicts of interest with his businesses, has no forethought, filter or diplomacy, especially when he tweets his 3AM BS, affecting individuals who get death threats from his rabid fans, stocks for businesses (like Boeing), inciting an international incident with China, not being incensed at Russian interference in a presidential election just because it helped him win,
to name a few.

Donald Trump has no idea how to run a superpower, says Chinese media

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/19/donald-trump-no-idea-how-to-run-superpower-chinese-state-media

Donald Trump will violate the US constitution on inauguration day

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/19/donald-trump-violate-us-constitution-inauguration-day

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Posted : December 19, 2016 12:36 pm
Alana33
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Conflicts of Interest, much?

Leak reveals Rex Tillerson was director of Bahamas-based US-Russian oil firm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/18/leak-rex-tillerson-director-bahamas-based-us-russian-oil-company

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Posted : December 19, 2016 1:31 pm
SunnyCaribe
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The death threats are coming from conservatives, as they almost always do in this age of modern conservatism, toward electors who are considering their constitutional obligations carefully.

And when you point this out to conservatives, their response, as always, is to suggest that this is some sort of false flag operation.

Which is funny, because that implies that liberals somehow have the capacity for organization and subterfuge. Yet the overwhelming perception of liberals by conservatives is one of helplessness, whining, and entitlement, like Rotor's video suggests.

Which shows that neither stereotype has any meaningful basis in reality other than to show the very vivid insecurities of conservatives. Conservatives need an enemy, a boogey man, a scapegoat, and contemporary moderates and liberals, with their boundless supply of apathy disguised as empathy, and their seemingly unquenchable appetite for self-loathing, embrace that role with enthusiasm.

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Posted : December 19, 2016 2:03 pm
Alana33
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I’m a scientist who has gotten death threats. I fear what may happen under Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-what-the-coming-attack-on-climate-science-could-look-like/2016/12/16/e015cc24-bd8c-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.59243d959293

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Posted : December 19, 2016 2:23 pm
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daveb722
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Sunny and Alana, you probably believed Her fake hate story too...

http://nypost.com/2016/11/13/the-fake-post-election-hate-crime-epidemic-a-muslim-womans-vote-for-trump-and-other-commentary/

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Posted : December 19, 2016 3:50 pm
watruw8ing4
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saw that last week and thought it was perfect

also, some of the electoral college are getting death threats. interesting, dont you think , that the left has resorted to this type of behavior. yet you all have no problem calling trump a bully.do you really think that type of rhetoric is helpful. imagine the crap that would be said if the shoe were on the other foot and it was trump spouting all this nonsense.

what exactly do you fear from him.
do you think hes going to round up people and put them in camps.

come on, that type of behavior and speak is not only stupid it is dangerous.

and you really think its fair if from now on only california gets a vote in who is president and on the issues that affect us all.

The video was moronic. I might have giggled at it when I was around 10, though.

There are reports of death threats coming from both sides, as well as from other countries. To label the left or the right based on the reports of a small fraction of the population, is also moronic.

We've heard all sorts of crap for the last 8+ years, and will continue hearing it. Uncivil rhetoric wasn't helpful then, and it isn't now. But apparently, it is what it is. Plenty of it right here in this thread.

Various peoples' fears have been offered over the last 24 pages. Some may be justified, some may not. But they have been expressed. Maybe you should just go back and re-read the thread.

The glaring error that showed up in this election, with respect to the Electoral College was that, while the FF's did give greater weight to the lesser popular states, the weight is becoming more and more in favor of those states. The FF's gave a nod to the larger populated states, by assigning all but two EC votes based roughly on population. But state population has become more and more lopsided. What do you fear about revisiting the mechanics of an antiquated system, that was originally set up to account for the less populated slave states? I'm all for allowing smaller states some extra clout. But do you really think it's fair that 11 or so small states with a combined population far less than Cali's can override just that one state?

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Posted : December 19, 2016 4:04 pm
JohnnyU
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The glaring error that showed up in this election, with respect to the Electoral College was that, while the FF's did give greater weight to the lesser popular states, the weight is becoming more and more in favor of those states. The FF's gave a nod to the larger populated states, by assigning all but two EC votes based roughly on population. But state population has become more and more lopsided. What do you fear about revisiting the mechanics of an antiquated system, that was originally set up to account for the less populated slave states? I'm all for allowing smaller states some extra clout. But do you really think it's fair that 11 or so small states with a combined population far less than Cali's can override just that one state?

I seem to recall a way to change the Constitution, in fact I'm pretty sure that we've amended the document before.

Some people may be a big fan of Mob Rules

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Posted : December 19, 2016 4:50 pm
speee1dy
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do you think its fair that california can run the country?

maybe those fears listed,i didnt take seriously

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Posted : December 19, 2016 4:50 pm
speee1dy
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/climate-scientist-got-death-threats-171427875.html

this article says he had death threats in the past and that they have diminished in recent years. he never once mentions death threats from trump or his supporters here.

so it sounds like most of his death threats came under the obama administration.

but he fears he could get some from trump supporters. why does he say this when he hasnt said here he has gotten any.

the headline is more hyperbole

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Posted : December 19, 2016 4:59 pm
LiquidFluoride
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But you hate the man so much, you can never make a valid argument against him.

I like the complete lack of self awareness & almost rabid nature of the responses.. good to be reminded that people like this exist and function almost purely off emotion & are so easily manipulated.

But do you really think it's fair that 11 or so small states with a combined population far less than Cali's can override just that one state?

We are a Republic, NOT a democracy.

Do you seriously not get that & the very very important reasons for it?

Our school systems must be proud.........

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Posted : December 19, 2016 6:03 pm
watruw8ing4
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do you think its fair that california can run the country?

maybe those fears listed,i didnt take seriously

No, of course, I don't. But they can't, even if we based the vote on straight popular vote, which we shouldn't. Please do the math instead of regurgitating talking points.

If you don't take legitimate fears of your fellow citizens seriously, that's fine. But why ask us to repeat them, then?

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Posted : December 19, 2016 7:07 pm
watruw8ing4
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The glaring error that showed up in this election, with respect to the Electoral College was that, while the FF's did give greater weight to the lesser popular states, the weight is becoming more and more in favor of those states. The FF's gave a nod to the larger populated states, by assigning all but two EC votes based roughly on population. But state population has become more and more lopsided. What do you fear about revisiting the mechanics of an antiquated system, that was originally set up to account for the less populated slave states? I'm all for allowing smaller states some extra clout. But do you really think it's fair that 11 or so small states with a combined population far less than Cali's can override just that one state?

I seem to recall a way to change the Constitution, in fact I'm pretty sure that we've amended the document before.

Some people may be a big fan of Mob Rules

Absolutely. It's been changed 5 times in my lifetime (although 1 of those took over 200 years to be ratified). One even involved the EC.

What part of my statement implied it should be done any other way?

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Posted : December 19, 2016 7:13 pm
LiquidFluoride
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If you don't take legitimate fears of your fellow citizens seriously

They aren't legitimate (pertaining to law/rules), & how can you take them seriously?

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Posted : December 19, 2016 7:59 pm
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speee1dy
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i was gonna say , thank you

If you don't take legitimate fears of your fellow citizens seriously

They aren't legitimate (pertaining to law/rules), & how can you take them seriously?

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Posted : December 20, 2016 10:50 am
speee1dy
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it is really hard to take certain fears seriously when people need coloring books, pizza and no tests/classes to feel better about the election. and even then cry for weeks/months on end about the outcome.

instead of trying to think of ways for OUR president to fail and hoping and wishing him to do so, how about thinking what you can do to help make this a better place for all in LEGAL PEACEFUL ways. You know-WORK TOGETHER for the greater good of ALL.

how about actually praying ( if thats what you do ) wishing for him to succeed as a president. maybe somehow heal all of those racial division wounds that obama has exacerbated.

isnt it time for that you could try ( by whatever means you use ) to hope/pray for a great presidency instead of a terrible one.
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Posted : December 20, 2016 10:54 am
Alana33
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That's what our elected officials are supposed to do,
"You know-WORK TOGETHER for the greater good of ALL."
Not enrich themselves at the average people's expense and threaten the environment, while ignoring a foreign government's meddling in a presidential election.

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Posted : December 20, 2016 11:48 am
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