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OldTart
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November 2, 2012 4:14 pm  

With all due respect, many posters here who have nothing but negatives to talk about might find that if they really get involved in their community, follow the news and become involved in community activities which encompass EVERY ethnic group here (and obviously they're not all in the same place at the same time for the most part) their viewpoint might just change.

How many of you have actually met and got to know a police officer?

With all due respect back at ya, you have no idea what community activities I'm involved in, nor the ethnic groups I interact with. I find your response condescending and short sighted.

Whatever your viewpoint or perspective, we have real problems here that need real solutions. The status-quo is resulting in an ongoing deterioration of our community. Poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, failing (near non-existent) family structure/values, violence portrayed in media - all these things are factors resulting in increase in crime and a lack of common respect. Wagging your finger at folks for telling it as it is won't do much to help. Do you want to stop publishing reports of crimes in the newspapers too?

My oh my, so very quick to personally identify yourself with a general "many posters here" comment and blast off defensively? 😉


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November 2, 2012 4:29 pm  

With all due respect, many posters here who have nothing but negatives to talk about might find that if they really get involved in their community, follow the news and become involved in community activities which encompass EVERY ethnic group here (and obviously they're not all in the same place at the same time for the most part) their viewpoint might just change.

How many of you have actually met and got to know a police officer?

With all due respect back at ya, you have no idea what community activities I'm involved in, nor the ethnic groups I interact with. I find your response condescending and short sighted.

Whatever your viewpoint or perspective, we have real problems here that need real solutions. The status-quo is resulting in an ongoing deterioration of our community. Poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, failing (near non-existent) family structure/values, violence portrayed in media - all these things are factors resulting in increase in crime and a lack of common respect. Wagging your finger at folks for telling it as it is won't do much to help. Do you want to stop publishing reports of crimes in the newspapers too?

My oh my, so very quick to personally identify yourself with a general "many posters here" comment and blast off defensively? 😉

Considering you quoted my post in your veiled response I think I've got the right to respond on behalf of the 'many' 😎


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November 2, 2012 4:58 pm  

Considering you quoted my post in your veiled response I think I've got the right to respond on behalf of the 'many' 😎

I quoted your post for obvious reasons and my response was neither directed towards you personally nor "veiled" in the slightest. And when you've finished lecturing me about everything that's wrong here and that "we" need to fix things, I'll remind you that you've been living here for a little over 3 years and I've been here a quarter of a century longer than that so didn't exactly just fall off the back of the boat.


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November 2, 2012 6:20 pm  

So in all your time and experience here I guess you haven't seen that now, the problems are getting worse. In the 7 plus years since I first came here I have. Yet let's suppress discussion of crime? Well that might work as a solution for the well established tourist centred economy of STT, especially among those folks that don't even bother to vote.

The 'We' I'm referring too is the collective community. There is so much that is good here on STX, but we are facing real problems, that are trending worse. You don't need to be here a quarter of a century to figure that out.


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November 2, 2012 6:46 pm  

You are seriously going to be headed for a total apoplectic fit if you persist in putting words in my mouth and ascribing to me erroneous viewpoints. Where have I even remotely suggested suppressing discussion of crime? Maybe if you'd get off the combative stance and take a breath here and there a reasonable discussion could ensue but I'm not about to waste time getting involved in a senseless battle simply because you chose to align yourself with a small faction I described as "many posters". If the shoe fits wear it. If it doesn't then stop defending yourself and just get out there to create some positive change.


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November 2, 2012 7:13 pm  

This could be an opportunity for the right person. They could station a barker at the cruise ship docks who direct the cruise tourists to their "Stylish Caribbean Flak Jacket Shop". They could rent Flak Jackets and optionally Helmets to the tourists. You know "Visit Coki Beach in Safety". Enjoy the Virgin Islands properly attired for your exciting day at the beach.

Optional services, hire one of our well armed guards to ride "shotgun" in your Safari Bus. Beautiful beaches and the wild west experience on St Thomas, USVI. Insurance is optional. 😉

Or for that Historical Tourism vacation try St Croix. Visit one of our many beach side restaurants. Take part in an armed robbery performed by our local youth. They use real bullets so don't forget to stop at the Flak Jacket Shop in Frederiksted. Be ready for the TRUE wild west experience in the US Virgin Islands. Be sure your travel insurance includes gunshot coverage. 🙂

Unfortunately you are not allowed to bring your own guns. We have very strict firearms laws in the Virgin Islands, only the criminals are allowed to own guns. So sit back and relax and enjoy the experience in your Caribbean Flak Jacket. :@)

http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/After-St--Thomas-shooting,-Carnival-halts-Coki-Beach-trips/

http://www.frommers.com/community/forum.cfm/caribbean-atlantic/virgin-islands/shooting-coki-beach-st-thomas

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147401-i716-k5695785-Armed_Robbery_at_Eat_at_Cane_Bay-St_Croix_U_S_Virgin_Islands.html

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/st-croix-police-chief-shot-roadblock

Edited to add smileys. This is just humor, right?


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November 2, 2012 10:09 pm  

loved the humor


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November 3, 2012 1:32 am  

This could be an opportunity for the right person. They could station a barker at the cruise ship docks who direct the cruise tourists to their "Stylish Caribbean Flak Jacket Shop". They could rent Flak Jackets and optionally Helmets to the tourists. You know "Visit Coki Beach in Safety". Enjoy the Virgin Islands properly attired for your exciting day at the beach.

Optional services, hire one of our well armed guards to ride "shotgun" in your Safari Bus. Beautiful beaches and the wild west experience on St Thomas, USVI. Insurance is optional. 😉

Or for that Historical Tourism vacation try St Croix. Visit one of our many beach side restaurants. Take part in an armed robbery performed by our local youth. They use real bullets so don't forget to stop at the Flak Jacket Shop in Frederiksted. Be ready for the TRUE wild west experience in the US Virgin Islands. Be sure your travel insurance includes gunshot coverage. 🙂

Unfortunately you are not allowed to bring your own guns. We have very strict firearms laws in the Virgin Islands, only the criminals are allowed to own guns. So sit back and relax and enjoy the experience in your Caribbean Flak Jacket. :@)

http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/After-St--Thomas-shooting,-Carnival-halts-Coki-Beach-trips/

http://www.frommers.com/community/forum.cfm/caribbean-atlantic/virgin-islands/shooting-coki-beach-st-thomas

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147401-i716-k5695785-Armed_Robbery_at_Eat_at_Cane_Bay-St_Croix_U_S_Virgin_Islands.html

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/st-croix-police-chief-shot-roadblock

Edited to add smileys. This is just humor, right?

HEY I love your comments...I just do not understand why you keep trashing my President. Too much Fox News brainwashing?


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rotorhead
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November 3, 2012 3:02 am  

HEY I love your comments...I just do not understand why you keep trashing my President. Too much Fox News brainwashing?

No. Too much Obama Kool-aid for you! I read CNN ( Communist News Network ) as much as Fox News. All of our news outlets are biased, every single one! They are more about entertainment and spinning the news rather than reporting it.


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November 3, 2012 11:39 am  

I miss reporters. You know, the people who used to "report" the news. Now all we have are "journalists" who insist on tell us how to think instead of just reporting facts. Often times the "facts" are questionable or slanted to drive you to their "side" of an issue.


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November 3, 2012 11:43 am  

HEY I love your comments...I just do not understand why you keep trashing my President.

And I am sure you never said a bad word about President Bush, who - by the way - was also your President. We do not always have to agree or even like the President of our country but they are still the President. We still have free speech and can express our views.


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November 4, 2012 7:35 pm  

The boardwalk was jumping yesterday. Good to see.I'd like to see that every weekend.


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November 16, 2012 5:57 am  

This could be an opportunity for the right person. They could station a barker at the cruise ship docks who direct the cruise tourists to their "Stylish Caribbean Flak Jacket Shop". They could rent Flak Jackets and optionally Helmets to the tourists. You know "Visit Coki Beach in Safety". Enjoy the Virgin Islands properly attired for your exciting day at the beach.

Optional services, hire one of our well armed guards to ride "shotgun" in your Safari Bus. Beautiful beaches and the wild west experience on St Thomas, USVI. Insurance is optional. 😉

Or for that Historical Tourism vacation try St Croix. Visit one of our many beach side restaurants. Take part in an armed robbery performed by our local youth. They use real bullets so don't forget to stop at the Flak Jacket Shop in Frederiksted. Be ready for the TRUE wild west experience in the US Virgin Islands. Be sure your travel insurance includes gunshot coverage. 🙂

Unfortunately you are not allowed to bring your own guns. We have very strict firearms laws in the Virgin Islands, only the criminals are allowed to own guns. So sit back and relax and enjoy the experience in your Caribbean Flak Jacket. :@)

http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/After-St--Thomas-shooting,-Carnival-halts-Coki-Beach-trips/

http://www.frommers.com/community/forum.cfm/caribbean-atlantic/virgin-islands/shooting-coki-beach-st-thomas

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147401-i716-k5695785-Armed_Robbery_at_Eat_at_Cane_Bay-St_Croix_U_S_Virgin_Islands.html

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/st-croix-police-chief-shot-roadblock

Edited to add smileys. This is just humor, right?

Replace the Free Rum Tasting with the Flak Jackets at the Airports.
I think you are on to something with this rotorhead. Very Lucrative business.
Maybe some Up Armored rental cars too.
This could work.

Wild West is a great comparison but if you got caught robbing or killing you got hanged in the wild west.
In the USVI you get house arrest. Most times you get away to rob and kill again.


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November 17, 2012 5:00 pm  

It is safer to spend your vacation on an Oil Platform in the Gulf than it is to come to the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Oil platform explodes in Gulf of Mexico; 11 injured, 2 missing
"Working in the oil industry is a dangerous business. The fatality rate for oil and gas workers is 15.8 deaths per 100,000 employees, according the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That's nearly five times the national average."
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/us/oil-platform-fire/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


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November 17, 2012 5:34 pm  

sobering thought


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Jamison
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November 18, 2012 1:50 pm  

I heard there have been three thugs walking the boardwalk clubbing people and stealing their stuff. Super.

How many murders have there been on STX or the USVI this year? I know they aren't all reported.


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November 18, 2012 2:59 pm  

How many murders have there been on STX or the USVI this year? I know they aren't all reported.

50 by the Source: http://stthomassource.com/content/news/police/2012/10/20/homicide-data-2012


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Jamison
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November 18, 2012 4:24 pm  

Holy crap.


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OldTart
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November 18, 2012 4:48 pm  

I know they aren't all reported.

You know this how? That statement alone is ongoing misinformation. And if you look at the stats and details (as you did if you've followed the links provided) the majority of murders here are gang related or related to domestic violence.

There might be one meager handful of contributors to this forum who actually follow the local daily news and see the subsequent arrests and convictions related to these cases. If your knowledge of crime solving is based on movies and TV shows where, within a 60-120 minute screenplay, a murder is solved, you're in la-la land. Reality doesn't work that way and it often takes months and sometimes years of both basic investigation and waiting for forensic results to be processed before an arrest can be made and a conviction assured.

Jamison, what's the success rate in your home state where murder/conviction is concerned and in what time frame? Just asking!


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November 18, 2012 8:13 pm  

You know this how? That statement alone is ongoing misinformation. And if you look at the stats and details (as you did if you've followed the links provided) the majority of murders here are gang related or related to domestic violence.

Let's just set the record straight.

When you state that the majority are murders are "gang related" you are implying that the "majority of murders are committed by gang members", correct? Of course you are NOT implying that the majority of murder victims are "gang related", correct? Because I serisoulsy doubt that most of the victims have ties to gangs.

Murder by domestic violence is still murder.

The VI's predominate cultural attitude of denial is only supports the violence.


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November 18, 2012 10:39 pm  

It is safer to spend your vacation on an Oil Platform in the Gulf than it is to come to the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Oil platform explodes in Gulf of Mexico; 11 injured, 2 missing
"Working in the oil industry is a dangerous business. The fatality rate for oil and gas workers is 15.8 deaths per 100,000 employees, according the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That's nearly five times the national average."
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/16/us/oil-platform-fire/index.html?hpt=hp_t3/blockquote >

Helps put our situation in prospective. Thank you.


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November 18, 2012 11:37 pm  

How many murders have there been on STX or the USVI this year? I know they aren't all reported.

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50 by the Source: http://stthomassource.com/content/news/police/2012/10/20/homicide-data-2012/blockquote >

Sometimes the source and the daily snooze post conflicting numbers. Source does not post vehicular homicide and "un-determined". Unless PD has called it a murder, it doesn't go in the tally. Like Jamison, I strongly suspect that not all crimes are reported to police. Because, not all the bodies are found or even reported.

If you are male, between the ages of 18 and 40 your chance of becoming a crime vicitim in the VI are high.


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blu4u
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November 18, 2012 11:55 pm  

As I rant on....
How 'bout this one. Mom with four kids in the car gets caught up in cross fire. http://stcroixsource.com/content/news/police/2012/10/05/gunshot-injures-boy-estate-grove-place
Just another local matter. No need to become alarmed. Simply, 'gang related' and none of our concern, right....?
Good grief. "local matter", "gang related", "domestic dispute", blah blah blah.....


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rotorhead
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November 19, 2012 12:38 am  

As I rant on....
How 'bout this one. Mom with four kids in the car gets caught up in cross fire. http://stcroixsource.com/content/news/police/2012/10/05/gunshot-injures-boy-estate-grove-place
Just another local matter. No need to become alarmed. Simply, 'gang related' and none of our concern, right....?
Good grief. "local matter", "gang related", "domestic dispute", blah blah blah.....

And you certainly should not discuss this on the relocation/visitor forum!


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Jamison
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November 20, 2012 11:38 am  

I know they aren't all reported.

You know this how? That statement alone is ongoing misinformation. And if you look at the stats and details (as you did if you've followed the links provided) the majority of murders here are gang related or related to domestic violence.

There might be one meager handful of contributors to this forum who actually follow the local daily news and see the subsequent arrests and convictions related to these cases. If your knowledge of crime solving is based on movies and TV shows where, within a 60-120 minute screenplay, a murder is solved, you're in la-la land. Reality doesn't work that way and it often takes months and sometimes years of both basic investigation and waiting for forensic results to be processed before an arrest can be made and a conviction assured.

Jamison, what's the success rate in your home state where murder/conviction is concerned and in what time frame? Just asking!

I remember the night the Chief got shot and Ecliff was murdered at 54. I was driving to the club to work and all I knew about was the shoot out in sunny isle, because I was talking earlier with someone who grew up with those guys and almost went on the run with them, but he didn't want to get shot. 3 of his friends did get shot and killed and there was no mention in the paper and it's not on that link either. That was a strange night on island. You could feel the tension.


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