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gringojj
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November 21, 2012 11:09 am  

Oldtart thank you for finally elaborating on your statement. From your account I do not see what is so difficult. It seems you had to wait around for a while. You had to gather documents. If you consider that difficult, I would hate to see you face a real challenge. People can decide when they read our accounts who has more credibility. I say its fairly simple, and outlined the simple process. You said its very difficult, but your account disputes that.

It appears that gringo needs further information on why I described the SNAP application as, " It's not a walk in the park by any remote stretch, the processing is rigorous, detailed and humbling, and the relief is minimal - but when you're reduced to circumstances requiring assistance, every little helps". Apparently his experience was indeed a "SNAP" of filling out the paperwork from a download, popping into the office, answering a few questions and shortly thereafter receiving a card "loaded" with benefits. Maybe the STX office isn't as inundated as that on STT or maybe his experience wasn't in the USVI at all but obviously our basic experiences were quite different.

I made a total of four visits, three of which entailed close to three hours of waiting along with scores of other applicants while the caseworkers who were obviously completely overloaded tried to make their way through everyone's applications. Full documentation to support every claim is required from immigration status to proof of income and everything else in between. It was about five weeks after the third visit that a letter came in the mail advising that my application had been approved. At the same time I was eligible for and received through the senior program a deduction of a little under $10 on my basic telephone bill, plus one free tank of cooking gas per year. I hadn't been aware of those small benefits but the caseworker had been kind enough to bring them to my attention. The fourth visit to pick up the card was quick and easy and entailed watching a short video on how the card worked and what it covered, as well as having the card duly registered and put into the system. The benefit of $101/month is for one year, after which time the application is re-evaluated to determine whether circumstances continue to warrant the assistance.

I hope gringo who wanted details and anyone else who may at some time have to go through the procedure finds this helpful.


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November 21, 2012 11:49 am  

VI C, What's the going rate for a canadian college education?

Its approximately 75% less than the cost of the comparable US colleges we looked at. And...no direct cost for healthcare.

However, our son reports that the cost of Cruzan Rum is outrageous at $28 for a bottle we pay $7 here.

Gotta love it.


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November 21, 2012 12:15 pm  

From your account I do not see what is so difficult. /quote]

Of course you are absolutely right and I stand corrected. My account was skewed based on limitations connected to age and physical problems which of course I now (thanks to your infinite wisdom) understand completely clouded my perspective. My humble apologies for having not thought it all through and given the right response. To give an accounting of a visit to a social services office so fraught with misleading statements is a serious lapse and I'll be sure to try and not make the same mistake again if any such similar subject is raised on which I might have an opinion. Thanks so much for challenging me and enabling me to see the light.


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November 21, 2012 12:34 pm  

Oldtart,

1. Please do not make assumptions or statements about me that are not true. I hereby declare that my wisdom is not infinite. I understand where you may think it is, but it is just not true.

2. Touche


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November 22, 2012 4:58 pm  

What is considered a necessity? I just wonder when you are going through the qualification process for SNAP or Food Stamps or whatever, if they review your income and your expenses? Do they consider high-speed internet and satellite TV a necessity?

These two services combined cost about $100 per month if not more.


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November 22, 2012 5:15 pm  

Rotor any monthly expenses you have including the ones you stated above are counted towards your monthly expenses. I think you may even get more food stamps if you have more expenses.

You must have seen Stossels poor in america segment. Alot people on public assistance have A/C, smart phones(and also their free obamaphone for backup), internet, video game consoles, flat screen tv's, etc. Its not always a matter of you cant feed your family, but a mattter of I cant feed my family and also have all the stuff I want lol.

This is nothing new. Back when projection tvs were new{and very expensive), I had a friend who worked in pest control. One of his jobs was to do a very large project back in Mass. He told me he had never even SEEN a 60 inch tv in someones house until he did the projects. He was disgusted that so many people there had them but nobody he knew could even afford one.


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November 22, 2012 5:28 pm  

Rotor any monthly expenses you have including the ones you stated above are counted towards your monthly expenses. I think you may even get more food stamps if you have more expenses.

So let me understand. They look at your expenses to determine how much "Assistance" you need, but they don't look close enough to determine whether your expenses are necessary expenses?


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November 22, 2012 6:29 pm  

What is considered a necessity? I just wonder when you are going through the qualification process for SNAP or Food Stamps or whatever, if they review your income and your expenses? Do they consider high-speed internet and satellite TV a necessity?

These two services combined cost about $100 per month if not more.

No, internet and satellite TV aren't considered at all. If you go to the SNAP link which I believe was posted earlier you'll see from the application form what's required to qualify. Basically it's dependent on your income, the number of dependents in your household, your rent and utility costs. All expenses and income have to be verified. If you've run yourself into debt through purchasing toys such as 60" TVs, smart phones and whatever else, that's your problem and none of that is taken into consideration. In other words, you won't get any more than you're qualified for based on income and very basic living expenses such as rent and utilities.


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November 22, 2012 9:52 pm  

Rotor any monthly expenses you have including the ones you stated above are counted towards your monthly expenses. I think you may even get more food stamps if you have more expenses.

This above statement of yours is so false and all lies. OT answered truthfully and you would know the guidelines if you truthfully have had experience with the FS program, if your below quote is the truth and not another lie of yours.

Experience......when was the last time you went through this rigorous process that you describe?


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November 23, 2012 2:19 am  

Wow Beachcomber that was a hostile attack on me. You must be a very mean bitter person.

As Oldtart pointed out I was incorrect in what I said. There is a difference between saying something you think is true but is not and lying.

In my mind I was associating cell phone bills, which they do use, with the other services Rotor mentioned.

I apologize for jumping the gun on that response and not throrougly thinking it through.

So for the record I was wrong about tv and internet services being counted. When I lived in the states it was very common for people to have phone, internet, and tv all lumped into a package price for one lump sum per month and I think they used to count the total bill. However I am not totally sure so to protect myself against attacks from Beachcomber I would like to point that out.

Beachcomber I hope you are able to get some help for your problems.

Also Beachcomber you say that this is "another lie of yours"

I am curious as to what lies you have caught me in. Please elaborate thanks.


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November 23, 2012 8:53 am  

Wow Beachcomber that was a hostile attack on me.  You must be a very mean bitter person.
That is so far from the truth. You just don't know how to react when someone uses your own medicine against you, so you try to belittle me.

As Oldtart pointed out I was incorrect in what I said.   There is a difference between saying something you think is true but is not and lying.
Get your facts straight before posting. Don't think and post!

In my mind I was associating cell phone bills, which they do use, with the other services Rotor mentioned. 
They do not use cell phone bills as an expense. Only phone land lines. Don't associate in your mind, doesn't work for you.

I apologize for jumping the gun on that response and not throrougly thinking it through. 
Again, don't think, use facts before posting!

So for the record I was wrong about tv and internet services being counted.  When I lived in the states it was very common for people to have phone, internet, and tv all lumped into a package price for one lump sum per month and I think they used to count the total bill.  However I am not totally sure so to protect myself against attacks from Beachcomber I would like to point that out. 
Not true again! You were only thinking, which doesn't seem to be a strong point of yours and not using facts yet again. Only land lines, even if a client does bundle their services. The HS workers know what the cost is for a land line in the office they work. Here or in the states.

Beachcomber I hope you are able to get some help for your problems.
I don't need help. I am a very nice person and not a bully like you, as you have shown on this thread.

Also Beachcomber you say that this is "another lie of yours" 

I am curious as to what lies you have caught me in.  Please elaborate thanks.
You posted a quote that you have experience in the Human Services Office applying for FS-see my above post.. If you did, you would "know" the guidelines for expenses and not just "think" what expenses are actually used. So, looks like you have no actual experience, like OT expressed! So you lied and got caught!


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November 23, 2012 5:00 pm  

well said beachcomber


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gringojj
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November 23, 2012 5:34 pm  

Beachcomber,

I think people will see clearly from the way you are attacking me here that you are a mean and bitter person. You have now called me a bully, a liar, and basically called me stupid. I have at times questioned people statements or challenged them on opinions. And if someone attacks me like you did earlier, I have the right to assume they are mean and bitter because they have proved it to me. Usually when people like yourself start name calling its because they have no argument so its easier to just demonize the other person by calling them names and acting like a 2nd grader.

Cell phone bills are most certainly counted. I put a disclaimer before I said the part about lumping services, and you still attacked me! What is wrong with you?

You referred to "another one of my lies". This statement infers that I have told other lies which you have knowledge of. As I asked earlier, could you please let me know what lies, other than the one you are accusing me of above, I have told?


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November 23, 2012 6:29 pm  

Beachcomber,

I think people will see clearly from the way you are attacking me here that you are a mean and bitter person ... Usually when people like yourself start (attacking) its because they have no argument so its easier to just demonize the other person by (attacking) them and acting like a 2nd grader.

Take the edited quote above as applicable, in my opinion, to your own behavior. If you seek to deliberately flame then don't expect not to have your words tossed back at you.

And I believe you may be incorrect that "cell phone bills" are counted in. I don't recall that at any time on the paperwork or during interviews was I asked anything at all about my telephone service until the subject of my eligibility for a small discount came up because of my senior status. SNAP is a food stamp program solely designed to help provide those with low or no income to put food on the table. You may be interested to know that I saw a news article this morning which stated that the national average monthly allotment of SNAP per family is $139.

If you need to start a new thread on WIC, welfare, unemployment benefits or low income housing, etc. then of course you can do so but confusing other social services with SNAP and throwing in comments about 60" TVs and electronic toys has nothing to do with food stamp eligibility nor does any debt or monthly payment associated with any of those things increase the SNAP allotment for anybody.


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November 23, 2012 6:46 pm  

Call the Human Services Office on Stx and they will tell you cell phone bills are not used as an expense when calculating FS benefit amount. Only land lines. 340-776-6334

I'm done posting about this topic.


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November 23, 2012 9:11 pm  

Oldtart all I am asking is for Beachcomber to elaborate on a claim that was made. I did the same thing with you. You made a claim that I did not find accurate, so I asked you to back up your claim with some facts. Eventually you did. I dont recall that I ever called you any names or hurled insults at you and you did not insult me either. As a matter of fact our accounts of the food stamp process are almost identical. The differences we have are not in the steps to get food stamps, they are in the opinions of if the process is difficult or not. I feel the process is fairly simple, you feel it is not. But we both agreed on the steps you need to take in order to get them.

Beachcomber called me a bully, a repeated liar, and pretty much called me stupid.

I dont consider myself a bully, but that is an opinion. I have recieved quite a few private messages here thanking me for standing up to people who others think are the bullies here. I prefer to think of myself as a defender of what is right.

Beachcomber pretty much called me stupid. I dont think I am stupid, but Beachcomber has a right to his/her own opinion. Saying it to me like a 2nd grader though shows what kind of person they really are. I dont need to hurl insults at a person like this, they are quite good at insulting themselves.

The third claim Beachcomber made is that I am a person who has a history of lying. Apparently Beachcomber has direct proof that I have lied on multiple occasions. I asked Beachcomber to back up that claim, but as you can see from the last post they are done posting about this topic.

So we can infer that Beachcomber has been caught being slanderous. What does one do when caught and cannot defend themselves? Thats right...."I am done posting about this topic".

Translation= I have been exposed and can no longer defend myself.

Scroll down on this link and it mentions cell phones....

http://www.massresources.org/snap-financial-eligibility.html


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November 23, 2012 11:08 pm  

Scroll down on this link and it mentions cell phones....

http://www.massresources.org/snap-financial-eligibility.html/blockquote >

The guidelines for the Massachusetts SNAP program are a great resource for information related to the SNAP program in the USVI.


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November 23, 2012 11:25 pm  

I just took a moment to look over that link that I posted based on Oldtarts recommendation.

I had said earlier in this thread that Obama had made it easier to get food stamps. I am pretty sure(Beachcomber disclaimer) that previously your home and cars were counted as assets, possibly making it harder for someone to qualify for food stamps.

According to that link these assets are no longer counted. So theoritically you could own your home outright and drive a brand new BMW, and still qualify for food stamps.

I know, I know.....someone who is able to own a BMW and owns their home outright would probably have income that would exceed the limits to qualify. I am just making the point.

Also I believe(Beachcomber disclaimer) that SNAP guidelines are set by the federal govt and other than dollar amounts depending on where you live, should be the same from state to state to territory.


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November 23, 2012 11:32 pm  

Scroll down on this link and it mentions cell phones....

http://www.massresources.org/snap-financial-eligibility.html/blockquote >

The guidelines for the Massachusetts SNAP program are a great resource for information related to the SNAP program in the USVI.

They are not. Try doing your research before making blanket statements about something you obviously have no experience with in the USVI.


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November 23, 2012 11:34 pm  

Oldtart,

I am not attacking or bullying you here, but I have to say that your 139 per family is wrong.

The correct figure is 139 per person.

http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/public-assistance-programs/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program/snap-myths-realities.aspx#

So that means a family of 2 would get 278, a family of 3 would get 417, etc. on average. Some get more some get less depending on where you live.

Now Beachcomber would say that because you made this statement that was not true, that you are a liar. I would say that you probably misinterpreted the figure.


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November 23, 2012 11:38 pm  

Scroll down on this link and it mentions cell phones....

http://www.massresources.org/snap-financial-eligibility.html/blockquote >

The guidelines for the Massachusetts SNAP program are a great resource for information related to the SNAP program in the USVI.

They are not. Try doing your research before making blanket statements about something you obviously have no experience with in the USVI.

What was the blanket statement I made? Why is it obvious that I have no experience with food stamps in the USVI?


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November 23, 2012 11:51 pm  

Wow the 2 of you are really embarrassing yourselves. Unreal.


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gringojj
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November 23, 2012 11:55 pm  

I dont feel embarassed at all:-)


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November 24, 2012 12:36 am  

Reminds me of my grandparents who were married for 65 years bickering at one another - never allowing the other the last word.


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November 24, 2012 4:48 pm  

It seems to be that there are a few people on this board who like to make claims, statements, and accusations that hold little to no weight. Maybe it makes them feel better about themselves to do these things. Maybe they like to think they know it all. Its amazing how easily they are exposed. When they cant defend themselves anymore against the truth they act like they are too dignified or their time is too valuable to explain themselves. The truth is that they CANT explain themselves.


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