Good news Trump supporters! You are right, your man isn't a Fascist.  

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redeyesadie
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Based on Trump's rhetoric there has been a growing tendency for those of us more liberally minded to refer to him as a Fascist. I admit to having done so yesterday. It turns out I was wrong, and when I see the guy I was talking to I will tell him so. Realizing we all have a personal responsibility to speak responsibly, I decided to reacquaint myself with the definition of Fascism:

Full Definition of FASCISM
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

A little more digging yielded an informative article that will help Trump's detractors (and his supporters) understand why he is not quite a Fascist, and what he is instead. Here is the link to the article, and an excerpt:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/10/9886152/donald-trump-fascism

"Again, fascism requires stepping outside the system and attacking the democratic structure. As long as that structure itself is handling illiberal attitudes on race, those attitudes don't themselves constitute a fascist trend.

But the views are still illiberal. To be very, very clear: Donald Trump is a bigot. He is a racist. He is an Islamophobe and a xenophobe. He profits off the hatred and stigmatization of traditionally oppressed groups in American society. That makes him, and his European peers, and racists in other eras in American history, a threat to crucial values of equality and fair treatment, and a threat to the actual human beings he's targeting and demonizing. And he's in particular mainstreaming Islamophobia, which is on the rise in recent months, as seen in a recent incident in which a Muslim engineer was harassed at a Fredericksburg, Virginia, civic meeting. "I’m really not sure those views in Fredricksburg would be aired were it not for Trump’s ‘mainstreaming’ of these prejudices," Feldman says.

Kevin Passmore, a historian at the University of Cardiff and author of Fascism: a Very Short Introduction, puts it well: "For me, the point about Trump’s proposals is not whether or not they are ‘fascist,' but whether or not they are moral." And they very clearly are not."

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Spartygrad95
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Weird that after toughening gun laws Austalia hasn't seen a mass shooting in decades? So, if guns are not a problem, then Americans are just violent people? Why are we giving guns to violent people? Why haven't any of the gun fetishists used their second amendment rights to protect their 1st, 5th and 8th Ammendment rights which have been trampled in past quarter century? The USA has seen more people killed by firearms in past 50 years than total of all Americans killed in all our wars combined. Ponder that.

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JohnnyU
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Assume you're counting suicide in the above? If so It's a little dishonest implication on your part

Gun owners are doing the same thing 99% of Americans have done support the status quo by voting D or R

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Spartygrad95
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I didn't say murdered. Killed. By choice, accident or intent. Does it really matter? That number is staggering.

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OldTart
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They are trapped in the cognitive dissonance produced by one of America’s fundamental political falsehoods: that the Democratic Party is opposed to war."

... Both Clinton and Biden voted in favor of invading Iraq. But they blame Bush

It's simplistically naive to sit back pointing fingers reveling in hindsight.

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JohnnyU
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I didn't say murdered. Killed. By choice, accident or intent. Does it really matter? That number is staggering.

Like I said there is an implication in the statistic you cited is worded. Call it an omission of information to clairify your statistics

The number is staggering and the statistics seem to point to the US having a huge problem dealing with mental health issues Vs a guns

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