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dougtamjj
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Wow!! 20 cent increase on STX. What are you stateside posters paying? How about the other Virgins?

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Topic starter Posted : May 7, 2008 3:21 pm
redfish
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I paid $3.56 for mid-grade in San Antonio this morning.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 4:13 pm
goalusvi
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I just heard that on Roger Morgan - ouch! After going up 20 cents what is it up to?

Up here in Virginia it is $3.59 as of this morning. Only a couple of days ago I was paying $3.43 - it's scary that now looks like a really good deal.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 4:15 pm
terry
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Diesel in AZ is $3.99. The news paper said today to expect $3.79 for unleaded regular this summer.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 4:20 pm
cheryl96s
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$3.76 for regular unleaded this morning in naples florida, ( southwest coast) OUCH

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Posted : May 7, 2008 4:52 pm
Bombi
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At 5 Corners in STX it was $3.19 this morning. So we're looking at at least $3.39, ouch! Better get a tune up and new air filter soon.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 4:58 pm
Bombi
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That got me thinking about the whole oil thing. We own the oil, sure our mineral rights have mostly been sold off or given away or leased.but if you look at other countries and states that capture and distribute a portion of the profits to benefit their citizens. So the plan would to be to put a per barrel fee, maybe $1 on imported and $2 on domestic (because it's ours) and put it into a fund that could be used to help pay for health care or bolster Social Security or something. The anchor of our dependence on oil is going to be pulling us down for a long time and overtime could alter our life styles and expectations. I wonder how such a fund could be managed so the politicians couldn't' get to it. I feel a little better.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 5:10 pm
trw
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alaska already does that in the form of checks, or used to anyway

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Posted : May 7, 2008 5:16 pm
GoodToGo
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Eh, not sure I follow. Wouldn't this take money out of our pockets and then give it back through subsidized healthcare or other gov't handout? Sounds a bit like socialism no?

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Posted : May 7, 2008 5:17 pm
trw
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same as social security,medicare,medicade,afdc,food stamps,lowincome housing,subsidizing farmers,bee keepers,corporations those are all gov handouts as well,any and every pork barrel project

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Posted : May 7, 2008 5:22 pm
terry
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Yes, but for every dollar you pay extra in gas, you would get 10 cents back in S/S. LOL. And then they will tax that:(

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Posted : May 7, 2008 5:28 pm
Bombi
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I don't know how much it would add to the price of gas.There's a lot of gallons in a barrel. My point is that it is a finite natural resource that we in the us and the world own a share and we should be compensated for its use. We bear the expense as a necessity, we suffer the environmental effects of the entire cradle to grave process. Either Norway or Sweden has a fund, they only spend some of the interest on the principle. Maybe it is a little socialistic but but as TRW said we already have a number of programs to help some of us perhaps all of us. It would have to be independent of any IRS or whatever so they couldn't twist it around to benefit anyone who didn't need some help.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 5:47 pm
Todd
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Grand Rapids MI - 3.90 unleaded, 4.29 diesel

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Posted : May 7, 2008 6:01 pm
antiqueone
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I'm not sure I trust the politicians enough to give them more money to play with. (bigger SUV's? More raises for the Senators?) On the other hand, repair, improvement or introduction of modern mass transit in the US could really cut down on gas consumption. Europe, Japan and elsewhere are already doing this. America barely has a train system at all. European cars get 50 mpg on average. Ours get 35. Hmmm. And then we decide that grain could make a nice fuel only to find out that leads to starvation in Somalia, South Africa and Haiti as food prices soar. I say lets use up the rest of the oil as quick as we can and go back to horses! At least that would stop the war in Iraq!

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Posted : May 7, 2008 6:07 pm
GoodToGo
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I think the problem with this idea is the U.S. is a net importer/consumer of oil. I don't think we're exporing oil for sale in other countries. All of this potential extra tax would come out of your right pocket and be returned to your left after government bureaucracy, law suits, etc eats a major portion.

I don't know how much it would add to the price of gas.There's a lot of gallons in a barrel. My point is that it is a finite natural resource that we in the us and the world own a share and we should be compensated for its use. We bear the expense as a necessity, we suffer the environmental effects of the entire cradle to grave process. ...

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Posted : May 7, 2008 6:58 pm
GoodToGo
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... European cars get 50 mpg on average. Ours get 35. Hmmm... I

I think you need to take about 15 mpg off each of those numbers unfortunately...

...say lets use up the rest of the oil as quick as we can and go back to horses! At least that would stop the war in Iraq!

Ironically I believe this is America's oil policy. We have a big problem in the Middle East and it seems our foreign policy approach is to consume all we can from their to run out their wells (and influence) while hoarding our own supplies (and preserve our ability to influence things in the end.) How else do you explain and oil administration in the White House that hasn't fostered efforts for off-shore, Alaska, etc. drilling? I'm not saying these are good, bad, or other - just incongruent for an oil influenced/experienced administration.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 7:04 pm
Yearasta
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$3.61 here in NW Florida...it's crazy..but on the bright side...less than a month before we move to STX for good!

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Posted : May 7, 2008 7:15 pm
terry
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One of the main selling points of the automobile was pollution control. Think about what you said about going back to horses. In the early days with 1/3 or less of the population there is now, the number of dead horses along side of the streets and the horse **** in the street was a health hazard. The internal combustion powered automobile solved that problem. Now there is pollution from the automobiles, but think what it would be with that many horses today.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 7:50 pm
morna
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It's $3.56 here in Orlando. I heard that it's $4.27 or at least was on STT. I'm not going to complain about the prices. I just got back from Okinawa and it was well over $6 a gallon.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 8:18 pm
heepajeep
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One of the main selling points of the automobile was pollution control. Think about what you said about going back to horses. In the early days with 1/3 or less of the population there is now, the number of dead horses along side of the streets and the horse **** in the street was a health hazard. The internal combustion powered automobile solved that problem. Now there is pollution from the automobiles, but think what it would be with that many horses today.

Yea but the road apples AND the horses are all 100% recycleable and way less damaging to the enviroment. There is no way to say that the automobile is better than horse. Other than convenience and expedience.

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Posted : May 7, 2008 8:43 pm
Trade
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$4.11/gallon today on STT.

How is everyone going to FEED those horses here?

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Posted : May 7, 2008 9:40 pm
trw
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oh you're all missing the point about oil, how do expect to run your computers, especially in this wreck of a territory without oil at this point,horses going in circles around a post just is not going to work at this point lol

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Posted : May 7, 2008 11:18 pm
Exit Zero
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Is this where the old saying : ' If wishes were horses, beggars would ride ' comes in??

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Posted : May 7, 2008 11:24 pm
heepajeep
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The price for fuel will rise until the price is the same worldwide. As long as fuel can be shipped to the highest bidder.
Only then will the price level off and it will not come down until we change our habits to use less.

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Posted : May 8, 2008 2:53 pm
ddlvballstx
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$4.15 in Chicago!!!!!! YIKES

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Posted : May 9, 2008 2:53 am
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