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SistaIrijah
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show on national geographic channel

marijuana nation
part one
tuesday, december 2, 2008
10 PM eastern/standard time

trailer at:

http://blog.norml.org/2008/11/26/i%E2%80%99m-thankful-for-lucy-ling-and-national-geographic/

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Topic starter Posted : November 30, 2008 9:47 pm
sundevil
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Looks interesting setting the DVR right now

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Posted : December 1, 2008 5:22 am
Bombi
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Thanks sista, Maybe it will help some of the misinformed people understand that you can't keep your head in the sand forever.

It's kind of like aspirin once a headache remedy now a miricle drug.

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Posted : December 1, 2008 1:07 pm
islandtyme
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Sadly people have made up their minds on this issue & no matter how many facts you present them they only see it as an evil.
Too bad...........a closed mind is a terrible waste of grey matter. Even if you do not agree, please watch with an "open" mind. It may not change your opinion, but will give you something to think about.

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Posted : December 1, 2008 1:31 pm
Trade
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That's rather patronizing. And the opposite side to yours seems rather closed in my opinion.

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Posted : December 1, 2008 4:23 pm
islandtyme
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If you are emotionally tied to it, say self, loved one, friend, and saw how they crashed & burn on substance abuse, then you wouldn't want someone else to go thru that hell. No matter what substance it is, it has now become evil in your mind even if there was a medical benefit to be gained from it. Myself have seen the evils of both drug & alcohol & have lost dear ones because of it. So I know the anger & pain, but luckily I can emotionally detach myself & view it from both sides. I however feel it should be legalized. You may feel it should remain illegal. That's perfectly OK by me.........so before stoning me, get to know me!

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Posted : December 1, 2008 4:38 pm
Lizard
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I smoked Basil once, but I didn't inhale!

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Posted : December 1, 2008 5:01 pm
Betty
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'Sadly people have made up their minds on this issue & no matter how many facts you present them they only see it as an evil.
Too bad...........a closed mind is a terrible waste of grey matter.'

Islandtyme,

You always claim people are attacking you but you usually say something negative or nasty first, like you did this time.

AGAIN you are assuming people are closed minded and haven't done any research. You have your "facts", I trust mine over yours. And people will be alot more likely to listen to you if you don't insult their intelligence. Remember what happens when you ASSume anything. And you are assuming all people against legalized MJ are not intelligent and are belligerent.

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Posted : December 1, 2008 5:30 pm
islandtyme
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Where did you see I said ppl against it were non illeigent & belligerent.............hmmmmmmm.
Closed mind doesn't = stupidity, but it sure makes a terrible learning curve.
Just because you made your mind up one way & me another, you say I say you are belligerent?
–adjective
1. warlike; given to waging war.
2. of warlike character; aggressively hostile; bellicose: a belligerent tone.
3. waging war; engaged in war: a peace treaty between belligerent powers.
4. pertaining to war or to those engaged in war: belligerent rights.
–noun
5. a state or nation at war.
6. a member of the military forces of such a state.

Oh....my throwing stones comment..............so I think you are now warlike - HA HA HA .......... Talk about ASSuming
An Addict was a lower life form in your mind...........so if it's additive, it has to be BAD............ASSuming again

Live in a glass house die from its broken shards, careful throwing stones Betty. As I recall you are pretty passionate about keeping it illegal & it's closely associated to an emotional tie to someone dear to you. That emotional tie will bind you if you let it. (And for the record, I am truly sorry for your loss, I'm only 1/2 monster y'noe).

.

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Posted : December 1, 2008 6:01 pm
Betty
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OMG that is a bizarre response. I'm thinkin you're more like 1/2 manic. Look your post are like nails on a chalk board to me, I finally going to do the intelligent thing and just ignore them. Best of luck to you.

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Posted : December 1, 2008 6:40 pm
Trade
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I didn't understand a lot of that response, either. Whatever. Good luck, Islandtyme, I think I understand why you're choosing this stance.

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Posted : December 1, 2008 9:51 pm
islandtyme
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Good Luck to you as well...........Betty
Tis Tis............ASSuming Trade..........Clean n Proud :D..............and 2 U Good Luck!

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Posted : December 1, 2008 10:12 pm
NugBlazer
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FWIW, the scientific facts about weed prove that it should be legalized. Do the research, it's all there.

As of the recent election, medical marijuana is now legal in 13 states. That's over one fourth of the country. Only 12 years ago, it wasn't legal in ANY state. Progress is being made, and soon the other shoe will fall.

If you are against legalization, you are not stupid or belligerent, just misinformed. Again, do the research. The scientific data is overwhelming. Simply overwhelming.

Over 90% of EVERY SINGLE PERSON I know on STX smokes it. And, I'm not talking just kids. Business owners of all kinds. Lawyers. Teachers. Parents. Sailing instructors. Private investigators. Car salesman. Grocery store workers. Hardware store clerks. Rental shop managers. You can not name a single resturaunt on-island where 75% or more of the entire staff doesn't smoke it. If you've ever eaten out on STX, you HAVE been greeted and served by a recreational marijuana user, and your food was cooked by the same, whether you knew it or not. For obvious reasons, I can't name names, but at some of the very, very finest resturaunts on-island, I regularily have dinner, then go back into the kitchen/backroom and light one up with the OWNERS. And you know what? Everything is just fine.

Just trying to open some eyes. Not trying to insult. If you have questions, I will do my best to point you to some good, accurate, SCIENTIFIC and unbiased information.

Peace.

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Posted : December 2, 2008 2:49 am
Trade
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What is "tis, tis?" :S

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Posted : December 2, 2008 9:02 am
Trade
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And "everybody does it" didn't work when I was 14 & isn't more valid now. 😀

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Posted : December 2, 2008 9:15 am
trw
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gee nug it's people like you that have no respect for people like me and go into my place of employment and lite up in back with the cooks and blow your fumes all over,i think the crap stinks and people use it to escape under the guise of relaxation,2 weeks ago i had to watch the cooks in back with customers smoking hash,at another place it was lines of coke,at another place is was crack,if you honestly can't wait to get off of work to do your drugs well gee don't you think maybe you have a problem and trust me the next time i see it the cops will be called. peace

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Posted : December 2, 2008 10:36 am
Lizard
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NugBlazer,
The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration regards Medical Marijuana users, even in States that have approved its use, as Lawbreakers. And in 2005 The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that State Law approving Medical Marijuana Don't bring with them immunity from Federal Prosecution.

That Supreme Court ruling addressed "Medical Marijuana". Most of your litany describes the use of marijuana as a recreational drug of choice, well you heard the song bad boy, bad boy what ya going to do when the "Feds" get you.

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Posted : December 2, 2008 11:41 am
Cory
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Putting weed in the same group as cocaine/crack..? Oh Please....

Talk about uninformed...

Preview of the show tonight... http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=b3d7c0cb-e9db-4af3-b57f-1d3f143ee91a&from=&fg=rss

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Posted : December 2, 2008 11:55 am
trw
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cory what i'm talking about is doing it at work,or did you miss that part? i could care less what you do on the street,just don't do it when i'm at work.

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Posted : December 2, 2008 12:00 pm
sundevil
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I just want to say sorry for bringing this subject up. I truly didn't expect it to make people so angry at each other. I realize that I have my view point and many people disagree and there is nothing that is going to change any ones point of view on this subject. There are so called facts that will support both sides. Its all about personal experience with it I have had good experiences and believe it is beneficial and should be legalized others have had direct or indirect bad experiences and they wouldn't not want it legalized. I just hope someday it will be brought to a vote so the people can decide it they want it in their society or not. I don't believe that the govt should decide for us. I hope that is something that we can all agree with.

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Posted : December 2, 2008 7:07 pm
NugBlazer
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gee nug it's people like you that have no respect for people like me and go into my place of employment and lite up in back with the cooks and blow your fumes all over,i think the crap stinks and people use it to escape under the guise of relaxation,2 weeks ago i had to watch the cooks in back with customers smoking hash,at another place it was lines of coke,at another place is was crack,if you honestly can't wait to get off of work to do your drugs well gee don't you think maybe you have a problem and trust me the next time i see it the cops will be called. peace

TRW, here is what I have to say to you.

1. How am I disrespecting you? You sit there and label me and say that I have "a problem" and somehow I am disrespecting YOU? What a joke!. Ever heard of "Live and let live"? You should try it. There are no doubt plenty of things I don't like about the way YOU conduct YOUR life, but I respect your right to live the way you want to. Try doing the same for me.

2. You're going to call the cops? Are you trying to make me laugh? If so, then congrats, you've got the job done. If you've been in STX for any length of time, you know that calling the cops is a laughable proposition at best. They might show up several hours later, if at all. Secondly, have you considered what you might do to the business in question? What if they get shut down simply because you just can't tolerate those icky, meany drugs. Seriously, if that's your stance, then we might as well close down every damn bar and resturaunt on-island. Is that really what you want?

3. You can't stand recreational drug use? WELCOME TO THE CARRIBBEAN. There are, um, a lot of drugs and drug users here. If that bothers you, then perhaps St. John would be a better place for you. Oops, STJ has lots of drugs, too. Perhaps, STT? Wait, nope, that doesn't work, either. How 'bout Jost Van Dyke? Nope. Tortolla? Not a chance. I know! Try Jamaica! Er, nope that won;t work either. Maybe IOWA would be best for you then? Beats me.

4. Your rant about weed being "smelly" is ridiculous. What about cigarrette smoke? Are you ready to take your crusade to smokers? How about when old ladies wear obnoxious perfume? Or when politicians come in wearing their obnoxious cologne? I don't hear you complaining about THAT. Probably because it's legal, which of course must mean that it's ok.

5. Lastly, and I mean this constructively, please, learn to write a sentence that is semi-legible. There are things called "capitalization" and "sentence structure" that you might want to brush up on. It's funny, because you sit there and judge me for using drugs yet it is you who writes like a third grader that's been high on meth for three days. "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Also, please note that I do NOT condone wreckless, irresponsible drug use! But, if someone likes to catch a buzz once in awhile, so what? What's it to you? Even if they're doing it at work, as long as they do their job well, does it REALLY matter in the end? No, it does not.

And, for the record, TRW, when I come into your resturaunt (whichever one it is) and smoke, it is NOT to disrespect you! Don't take it so personally. I don't even know you, why in the world would I wish you anything but the best?

NugBlazer,
The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration regards Medical Marijuana users, even in States that have approved its use, as Lawbreakers. And in 2005 The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that State Law approving Medical Marijuana Don't bring with them immunity from Federal Prosecution.

That Supreme Court ruling addressed "Medical Marijuana". Most of your litany describes the use of marijuana as a recreational drug of choice, well you heard the song bad boy, bad boy what ya going to do when the "Feds" get you.

Gee, thanks Captain Obvious. You missed my point. Yes, I KNOW that the Feds still outlaw it, who doesn't? The point is that the laws are RAPIDLY changing towards a pro-legalization stance, and someday, sooner than you think, that will be a reality. Keep in mind that it was perfectly legal right up until 1937 when the Feds went on a totally unsubstantiated smear campaign to criminalize marijuana with the Federal Tax Stamp Act. Also keep in mind that it is already legal in other first world countries and they have no problemms at all.

The US DEA is a joke. Reagan's war on drugs was a joke and failed miserably. Obama has admitted that he DID inhale. Does that make him a bad President? No, it does not.

Now I've got a quote for you: "One has a moral responsitility to disobey unjust laws". Ever heard of that? Just because something is illegal does NOT ALWAYS make it wrong. Illegality does NOT ALWAYS equal immorality. Throwing people in jail for smoking a joint is WRONG. It might be legal, but it is morally reprehensible.

Ever went over the speed limit? You broke the law. Does that make you a bad person with "a problem"? No, it does not. How about cock fighting? It's perfectly legal here in STX. Does that make it right? You decide. Think about it.

DO THE RESEARCH.

Ever heard of the United States Declaration of Independance? One of it's most famous lines is "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

Let people pursue their own form of happiness! For example, I personally detest hunting. I think that killing animals for sport is deplorable. But, some people really like hunting -- it makes them HAPPY. Hunting is THEIR pursuit of happiness, and I let them have it because it doesn't affect me.

Smoking grass is one of the many ways that I choose to pursue MY happiness. It doesn't affect you, so just let me be. Please?

SORRY FOR THE LONG RANT BUT THIS ISSUE IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

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Posted : December 2, 2008 8:42 pm
Lizard
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Nugblazer,
Use the spell check! It might help. Use of Marijuana does affect me, it costs money to arrest, house and feed the offenders. Your argument has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese. Your Rant has no importance to me. I needed a good laugh today! Thank You!

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Posted : December 2, 2008 9:10 pm
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Well Nug, I just have a few things to say to you.

Walk in trw's shoes before you judge him. He knows how devastating drugs and alcohol are.

You announced to everyone on a very public forum that you partake in illegal drugs in restaurants with employees during working hours.

At least 3 posters that I know of are in law enforcement. Not real bright of you.

I have a family member who would benefit from the use of medical marijuana so I am not against that use.

You either haven't smoked enough today or MJ doesn't have the desired mellow effect on you.

Have a good night.

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Posted : December 2, 2008 9:45 pm
Trade
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Nugblazer, trw contributes more to this forum in a positive way than several others. To get sooo hot & bothered over something that's strictly recreational strikes me as rather odd. So does smoking this in a public place at the risk of being arrested. Think it can't happen? I read about it weekly in the paper. I suggest you up your dose & mellow out a bit.

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Posted : December 2, 2008 10:24 pm
stiphy
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I feel like I'm having Deja Vu.

Sean

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Posted : December 3, 2008 2:22 am
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