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stcmike
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January 4, 2021 7:24 pm  

The year is only 4 days old and we already have 2 murders. Don't expect any solutions from our senators they are to busy spending their 100K salaries.


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vicanuck
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January 5, 2021 8:00 am  

And don't expect the police to be of much help either.

Sunday's attempted murder in the Sunny Isle Wendy's was classified as an assault.

I guess a stabbing has to be more than 14 wounds to be classified as attempted murder here.

Shameful.


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Gator's Mom
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January 5, 2021 11:19 am  
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And don't expect the police to be of much help either.

Sunday's attempted murder in the Sunny Isle Wendy's was classified as an assault.

I guess a stabbing has to be more than 14 wounds to be classified as attempted murder here.

Shameful.

The difference between assault and attempted murder lies in the fact that there is planning, but the plan is not followed through with. The attempt to murder is made, whereas in assault there may be no premeditation.


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January 5, 2021 11:44 am  

@gators_mom

Thank you for the clarification Gator's Mom, I see the distinction.

That said, its sad that this mentally ill person can't be locked up somewhere where he and the community will be safe.

It wouldn't surprise me if the perp was taken for "the big swim" once he was released from custody.


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January 5, 2021 1:33 pm  
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@gators_mom

Thank you for the clarification Gator's Mom, I see the distinction.

That said, its sad that this mentally ill person can't be locked up somewhere where he and the community will be safe.

It wouldn't surprise me if the perp was taken for "the big swim" once he was released from custody.

Since the perp will be defenseless in the legal system, he'll be locked up in the prison system for a while. Then most likely let back onto the VI streets to fend for himself again. This occurs not only in the VI but stateside, too. There is little or no help for the chronically mentally ill or their families.

Stabbing Incident at Sunny Isle Shopping Center Under Investigation | St. Thomas Source


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January 6, 2021 11:01 am  
Posted by: @gators_mom

The difference between assault and attempted murder lies in the fact that there is planning, but the plan is not followed through with. The attempt to murder is made, whereas in assault there may be no premeditation.

I know it's semantics but if the young man had succeeded in killing the older gentleman would it not have been murder, given there was no premeditation?  To me dead is dead, premeditation is irrelevant.  I would would consider being violently attacked someone with any deadly weapon attempted murder.  If this young man hadn't been restrained he easily could have killed.  My view may be simplistic but I'm a simplistic person.

Years ago mental hospitals were fairly common but they were shut down for cost and political reasons.  Now we just put these individuals into jail after they commit a crime, not sure this is an improvement.


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Gator's Mom
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January 6, 2021 1:16 pm  
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Posted by: @gators_mom

The difference between assault and attempted murder lies in the fact that there is planning, but the plan is not followed through with. The attempt to murder is made, whereas in assault there may be no premeditation.

I know it's semantics but if the young man had succeeded in killing the older gentleman would it not have been murder, given there was no premeditation?  To me dead is dead, premeditation is irrelevant.  I would would consider being violently attacked someone with any deadly weapon attempted murder.  If this young man hadn't been restrained he easily could have killed.  My view may be simplistic but I'm a simplistic person.

Years ago mental hospitals were fairly common but they were shut down for cost and political reasons.  Now we just put these individuals into jail after they commit a crime, not sure this is an improvement.

If the victim died, the charge would be either voluntary manslaughter or second degree murder. It's all about intent and the stickiness of the charge.

Mental hospitals were closed because of the development of psychotropic drugs in the late 20th century that have allowed the mentally ill to live among us. Stoned yes, functioning maybe, suicidal sometimes, but not hospitalized. Insurance companies LOVED these drugs as an alternative to very expensive inpatient psychiatric treatment. Psychiatrists became drug pushers rather that talk therapists - for the most part. 

Very early on in my career I worked for the Menninger Clinic in Topeka that closed almost overnight because of the advent of drug treatment. I even knew Karl Menninger.

List of psychotropic medications - Wikipedia

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January 6, 2021 3:03 pm  

Sorry to hear about these incidents, especially the concerns about the senators and the police. We are building on St. Croix this year and really appreciate the insights on this site. 


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January 6, 2021 8:43 pm  
Posted by: @gators_mom

Mental hospitals were closed because of the development of psychotropic drugs in the late 20th century that have allowed the mentally ill to live among us.

I fear the problem with this approach is what if the individual stops taking the medication, for whatever reason.  If the unmediated person is a danger to society it would seem like a ticking time bomb.  I wonder if this young man was correctly medicated at the time of the assault.  If not, who’s accountable. 


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January 7, 2021 10:35 am  
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Posted by: @gators_mom

Mental hospitals were closed because of the development of psychotropic drugs in the late 20th century that have allowed the mentally ill to live among us.

I fear the problem with this approach is what if the individual stops taking the medication, for whatever reason.  If the unmediated person is a danger to society it would seem like a ticking time bomb.  I wonder if this young man was correctly medicated at the time of the assault.  If not, who’s accountable. 

Most of the psychotropic meds are used to make the mentally ill person's behavior more acceptable to their families and society. But these drugs dull the senses and deaden emotions.

Some of these drugs can cause permanent brain damage, too. It used to be called the Thorazine shuffle.

In particular, those with bi-polar disorder miss their highly productive manic phases and will opt to get off meds. Bi-polar sufferers are far more likely to kill themselves than harm others when coming down out of mania.

We are all individuals and responsible for ourselves in the US. Unless temporarily Baker-acted, hospitalized, court-ordered or in prison, no one can be forced to take psychotropic drugs. 

 

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January 8, 2021 3:36 am  

It doesn’t help that there is a lot of stigma with mental illness especially here.  Having worked retail in Cruz Bay for 15 years I saw and knew many people who struggles with various mental health issues.  Some very sad stories.  I’ve known people who were rounded up and taken to the clinic once a month for their shot. A horrible way to treat people.  They would have about 5 days a month where they were just right medicated.  They felt alone and unwanted and struggled most of the time.  In and out of jail and little or no support when they were out.  We don’t have a lot of resources.  Especially on St John.  


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stcmike
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January 16, 2021 10:50 pm  

Most people including myself always think of murder rates when talking about crime however with the new of the police officers arrested transporting drugs it is just a reminder of the amount of corruption that exists in our public service departments. How can such beautiful islands be the home of so much criminal activity?


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January 17, 2021 10:33 pm  

And the Point Udall break ins are acting up again.

Vandals are Damaging Vehicles at Point Udall; Police Commissioner Vows More Police Patrol of Monument


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stcmike
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January 19, 2021 1:10 pm  

Sometimes you see comments that suggest if you stay out of housing projects you don't have to worry about crime in the VI. A young man was recently killed in the early morning in Gallows Bay and a young woman now sits in a hospital after a brutal rape in downtown St. Thomas. Crime impacts everyone, we may choose to ignore it but the impact of crime can not be denied. There is little the average citizen can do, we just try to make sure are loved ones are as safe as possible. Unfortunately the more crime occurs there comes a basic acceptance of it. We choose to either stay here ad remain locked up at night or we move to the states with the hope we find a safer place to live. I like so many others feel totally frustrated. I am tired of the crime, the rude behavior of many people, the corruption in our govt and our police force. I am tired of hearing speeches from governors, police leaders, politicians and radio talk show hosts. Crime (both criminal and civil) is becoming an acceptable part of VI culture and we need to change this phenomenon as soon as possible. Unfortunately I don't know how to do it but I welcome any suggestions.


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January 19, 2021 7:17 pm  
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Sometimes you see comments that suggest if you stay out of housing projects you don't have to worry about crime in the VI. A young man was recently killed in the early morning in Gallows Bay and a young woman now sits in a hospital after a brutal rape in downtown St. Thomas. Crime impacts everyone, we may choose to ignore it but the impact of crime can not be denied. There is little the average citizen can do, we just try to make sure are loved ones are as safe as possible. Unfortunately the more crime occurs there comes a basic acceptance of it. We choose to either stay here ad remain locked up at night or we move to the states with the hope we find a safer place to live. I like so many others feel totally frustrated. I am tired of the crime, the rude behavior of many people, the corruption in our govt and our police force. I am tired of hearing speeches from governors, police leaders, politicians and radio talk show hosts. Crime (both criminal and civil) is becoming an acceptable part of VI culture and we need to change this phenomenon as soon as possible. Unfortunately I don't know how to do it but I welcome any suggestions.

The young man gunned down in Gallows Bay was awaiting trial on illegal firearms possession and had been linked to the senseless murder of 19 year old Selena Chitolie last May.

Homicide victim was awaiting trial for illegal firearm possession | News | virginislandsdailynews.com

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