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DonExodus
(@DonExodus)
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I'm depressed.
Mapp speaks of hiring a 1000 new government employees and debt consolidation but you add the salaries, heath care, benefits and bonuses of those 10000 new hires to the already sky high debt and the present $100 million budget deficit and all you get is a mountain more debt to consolidate. Just what we need, more entitled government workers and even more debt. 🙁

He should just call it what it is: "expanding the daycare".

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Posted : November 5, 2014 11:49 am
speee1dy
(@speee1dy)
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yes, i have often wondered where this money is going to come from to hire all these new people when they have trouble already paying the bills

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Posted : November 5, 2014 11:56 am
janeinstx
(@janeinstx)
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Exactly

He should just call it what it is: "expanding the daycare".

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Posted : November 5, 2014 12:35 pm
longhorn
(@longhorn)
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Now that Mapp is in, this island is going to be more in line with the other sister islands like st. kitts, nevis and the like... I cannot imagine an EDC company wanting to relocate here.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 1:07 pm
ms411
(@ms411)
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Is he definitely in? St Kitts has gotten lots of new development recently, and I can't figure out why. Will post link later.

Now that Mapp is in, this island is going to be more in line with the other sister islands like st. kitts, nevis and the like... I cannot imagine an EDC company wanting to relocate here.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 1:20 pm
Alana33
(@alana33)
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We are $100,000,000.00 in debt now! That is a huge debt!
The Virgin Islands are bankrupt.
Adding more debt is not an option.

Mapp needs to stop playing stupid, dangerous and disingenuous games with people in order to win an election.

The senators need to curb their wasteful spending and start fixing the same problems that have been affecting us for decades and make those the priority. Wapa, a failing infrastructure, education and crime.
Clean up our islands to attract tourists. No one wishes to look at the roadside trash that overwhelms us daily. Make a budget and stick to it.

The public does this everyday.
Why can't our government?
We need to demand it.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 1:23 pm
C_Ray6
(@C_Ray6)
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Did Chucky lose?

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Posted : November 5, 2014 1:32 pm
CruzanIron
(@cruzaniron)
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We are $100,000,000.00 in debt now! That is a huge debt!
The Virgin Islands are bankrupt.
Adding more debt is not an option.

Mapp needs to stop playing stupid, dangerous and disingenuous games with people in order to win an election.

The senators need to curb their wasteful spending and start fixing the same problems that have been affecting us for decades and make those the priority. Wapa, a failing infrastructure, education and crime.
Clean up our islands to attract tourists. No one wishes to look at the roadside trash that overwhelms us daily. Make a budget and stick to it.

The public does this everyday.
Why can't our government?
We need to demand it.

100 million is not much, when our budget is just over 700 million.

Did you mean 1 Billion?

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Posted : November 5, 2014 1:36 pm
islandjoan
(@islandjoan)
Trusted Member

For the election results go to: vi vote .gov

On the right under 2014 Elections there is a link to Unofficial Results which takes you to a page with links to results. It hasn't been updated since 1:52 am:
1:52 am results

Chucky is the WRITE-IN (IND.) so she is out!!!!!!!!!!

But never fear she will rise like a phoenix from the ashes in the 2016 election!

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Posted : November 5, 2014 1:48 pm
lily1025
(@lily1025)
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mapp as governor?? i'm still holding on to hope for a run-off.when the results come out after every election,it brings me back to a MAJOR REALITY CHECK! even with the potential of some new,bright candidates,we are still a small west indian island in the middle of the caribbean!! mapp offering government jobs to the voters,come on,who wouldn't want one in this economy. gotta give him credit though,it's bigger and better than a fish fry and t shirt .

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Posted : November 5, 2014 3:11 pm
islandjoan
(@islandjoan)
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Just remember Mapp's promise + let's see if he delivers: he promised 1000 jobs by the end of 2015, financed by restructuring debt.

Those who elected him on this promise, will probably forget....

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Posted : November 5, 2014 3:18 pm
Alana33
(@alana33)
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We are $100,000,000.00 in debt now! That is a huge debt!
The Virgin Islands are bankrupt.
Adding more debt is not an option.

Mapp needs to stop playing stupid, dangerous and disingenuous games with people in order to win an election.

The senators need to curb their wasteful spending and start fixing the same problems that have been affecting us for decades and make those the priority. Wapa, a failing infrastructure, education and crime.
Clean up our islands to attract tourists. No one wishes to look at the roadside trash that overwhelms us daily. Make a budget and stick to it.

The public does this everyday.
Why can't our government?
We need to demand it.

100 million is not much, when our budget is just over 700 million.

Did you mean 1 Billion?

No, $100M.

For a population that is little more than 100,000 people!
You have no idea how ours and federal monies get misspent, mismanaged and in some cases, outright stolen by VI government officials.
We also have a huge legislative budget compared to the majority of US states, thanks in part to them raising their salaries in a lame duck session prior to a new legislature being sworn in. We won't mention all the perks, health care, retirement and other benefits they give themselves.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 3:51 pm
longhorn
(@longhorn)
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the buzz is that donna is prepared to concede if the numbers remain the same, to save the vi $250k from a runoff election.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 3:54 pm
ms411
(@ms411)
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I think they are voting for Mapp for other reasons. Some don't want a woman governor. Some are disillusioned with Democratic party. Taxi drivers are behind him for a possible number of reasons. It's not just about government jobs.

He's also a very good speaker. Just like a good preacher, he can make people believe. People don't research and challenge what he says. He is a very convincing liar.

I have severed some long term business ties because they support Mapp. I will not support stupidity.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 3:56 pm
CruzanIron
(@cruzaniron)
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That is a debt burden of $1,000.00 per person. One Thousand dollar per person.

That's practically nothing,.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 3:59 pm
Alana33
(@alana33)
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Ye gads! She must be out of her mind to concede!

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Posted : November 5, 2014 4:00 pm
CruzanIron
(@cruzaniron)
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As far as your comment that " I have no idea"

Meanwhile, each resident’s share of the Virgin Islands combined bond market debt ($1.74 billion) and retirement system unfunded liability ($1.7 billion) is a whopping $29,965.

That’s based on a population figure of 114,800 as cited on the V.I. Tourism website.

If you add another $300 million to cover the infamous “retroactive salary increases” that were promised to government workers in the 1990s but not funded, the V.I. debt increases to $32,578 each for every man, woman and child living in the islands.

http://stcroixsource.com/content/news/local-news/2014/03/25/undercurrents-virgin-islands-debt-rivals-bankrupt-detroit-and-tro

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Posted : November 5, 2014 4:03 pm
vicanuck
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No, $100M.

According to this St. Croix Source article from March 2014, the USVI debt is actually $3.4 BILLION ($1.74 billion bond market debt + $1.7 billion unfunded pension liabilities).

http://stcroixsource.com/content/news/local-news/2014/03/25/undercurrents-virgin-islands-debt-rivals-bankrupt-detroit-and-tro

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Posted : November 5, 2014 4:04 pm
Alana33
(@alana33)
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Thanks for the correction.
I was confusing the $100m that's the deficit for this year.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 4:31 pm
ritarivas
(@ritarivas)
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My 1st thought was to compare the per capita debt to the US debt per capita (over $50,000 pp) but when I compared it to other states' per capita debt (range is approx. $3,000 pp) you see how out of whack that figure is. The odd thing is that the USVI bonds have outperformed every other states' bonds returns except for 1 or 2.

As far as your comment that " I have no idea"

Meanwhile, each resident’s share of the Virgin Islands combined bond market debt ($1.74 billion) and retirement system unfunded liability ($1.7 billion) is a whopping $29,965.

That’s based on a population figure of 114,800 as cited on the V.I. Tourism website.

If you add another $300 million to cover the infamous “retroactive salary increases” that were promised to government workers in the 1990s but not funded, the V.I. debt increases to $32,578 each for every man, woman and child living in the islands.

http://stcroixsource.com/content/news/local-news/2014/03/25/undercurrents-virgin-islands-debt-rivals-bankrupt-detroit-and-tro/blockquote >

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Posted : November 5, 2014 4:33 pm
ms411
(@ms411)
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And where are you getting this buzz? Again, more lies spreading.

Donna has been on radio talk shows today saying she's in it until the very end. I think that the results have strengthened her resolve to fight a very qualified contender. Please do not call the race over until it's over, and please don't spread rumors. You only add to the misinformation.

Thank you.

the buzz is that donna is prepared to concede if the numbers remain the same, to save the vi $250k from a runoff election.

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Posted : November 5, 2014 5:15 pm
OldTart
(@the-oldtart)
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... and please don't spread rumors. You only add to the misinformation.

WHAT? I thought one of the primary functions of the forum was to allow people to spread idle baseless rumor from the comfort of their own homes instead of having to stand on a street corner trying to attract passers-by with "the word".

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Posted : November 5, 2014 5:21 pm
ms411
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Ha, ha! Obviously others share that sentiment, so I want to make sure they understand they are not welcome to spread gossip and lies. Our home has enough problems with reality. We don't need lies and rumors masquerading as news.

... and please don't spread rumors. You only add to the misinformation.

WHAT? I thought one of the primary functions of the forum was to allow people to spread idle baseless rumor from the comfort of their own homes instead of having to stand on a street corner trying to attract passers-by with "the word".

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Posted : November 5, 2014 6:46 pm
MissJustice
(@MissJustice)
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I think they are voting for Mapp for other reasons. Some don't want a woman governor. Some are disillusioned with Democratic party. Taxi drivers are behind him for a possible number of reasons. It's not just about government jobs.

He's also a very good speaker. Just like a good preacher, he can make people believe. People don't research and challenge what he says. He is a very convincing liar.

I have severed some long term business ties because they support Mapp. I will not support stupidity.

I think you are confusing him with deJongh, who borrowed $500,000.00 in 2010, to give jobs, not promise jobs. 1200 jobs. Looks like Mapp took a page from deJongh's book almost. Except Mapp's jobs are for certified and qualified people: police academy graduates who are currently doing triple overtime, nurses which we need desperately and are hiring travelers who take their money off island , and teachers of which there is a ginormous shortage and we are currently hiring foreigners and retired substitutes anyway. It's not new money. It's just a new middle class that will pay taxes and pay into the retirement system.

DeJongh's jobs were for assistants, advisors, and political hacks to get family members to vote for him.

Mapp's jobs

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Posted : November 5, 2014 10:42 pm
Alana33
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Oh please. Where is he going to get the money to fund all these new hires and facilitate their salaries, health benefits, perks, bonuses and retirement/GERS benefits, who already has issues of their own with not enough money being paid in and not properly managed?

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Posted : November 5, 2014 11:11 pm
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