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Ohana
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We are very much against corporal punishments in any school system. (Also at home) Just wondering if any one knows if any school , private or public school , use this punishment. It is very crucial for us to know this. Thanks,
The Ohana,s

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Topic starter Posted : September 26, 2012 10:14 pm
Linda J
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I hope others with more knowledge will chime in, but I believe corporal punishment is allowed in the public schools. You would have to contact private schools individually to find out each one's policy.

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Posted : September 26, 2012 10:25 pm
sheiba
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Yes, in public schools. Usually with a ruler or yard stick. Not sure if "allowed" but it happens .

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Posted : September 27, 2012 12:18 am
DonExodus
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Corporal punishment exists to teach students to behave politely, learn properly, and take their studies seriously. As this VI case study demonstrates, it clearly works!

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Posted : September 27, 2012 5:00 am
Ohana
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Which VI case study?

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Topic starter Posted : September 27, 2012 6:49 am
stjohnjulie
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Corporal punishment is legal and used in the VI in the school systems. Many of the private schools do not allow it as a school policy, but you are going to have to ask each one individually. On St. John, I know Gifft Hill School does not allow it. I have a friend who's son was in the public schools on St. John and he was hit with everything from a ruler to a paddle and even had his mouth taped shut on more than one occasion. (of course the school denies this) I am personally against it myself and understand your concerns.

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Posted : September 27, 2012 9:51 am
sheiba
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@donexodus

Children learn best in a nurturing ,caring environment with structure and rules.
In the public schools.I have witnessed children hit with rulers, slapped across the face, told they are fat and to shut up by the teacher. The end result is a lack of respect for the teacher, a poor learning environment and that aggression I iis a means to solve a problem.
It is no wander that there is a domestic abuse and violent crime issue on the islands and poor education.. The public schools are literally raising criminals.

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Posted : September 27, 2012 10:43 am
blu4u
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In my opinion this is criminal assault. I know it happens.

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Posted : September 27, 2012 1:17 pm
gringojj
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It is funny how people view this. If adults hit each other with objects to cause pain and "teach a lesson" its called battery. And that is when it is adult on adult, grown people of similar size. But when and adult does it to a child who is probably less than half the size of them, some people think its ok. I am a very peaceful person, but one thing that really makes my blood boil is inflicting pain as punishment. I wonder how the teachers would feel if you as a parent went in and beat them with a belt or paddle. That would be one of those times I would believe in eye for an eye.

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Posted : September 27, 2012 1:33 pm
blu4u
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Corporal punishment exists to teach students to behave politely, learn properly, and take their studies seriously. As this VI case study demonstrates, it clearly works!

I understand that your comment was intended as sacrastic negative comment on our VI education system. And I agree, the culture of "punishment" and degradation does not promote an effective educational enviroment for children. Un-cheked violence in the territory is a problem (my opinion--others may disagree) and allowing violence in school sets a bad example for our youth.

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Posted : September 27, 2012 2:11 pm
sheiba
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Oh, my bad. I thought donexodus was serious.

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Posted : September 27, 2012 3:27 pm
Ohana
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We are so shocked.
I started emailing all private VI schools with the same question.

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Topic starter Posted : September 27, 2012 5:08 pm
stjohnjulie
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The USVI is not the only place that corporal punishment in the schools is permitted. There are 19 states that still allow it in schools as well. Whether you agree or disagree, the USVI is only one of many who still allow it to be used in the schools as a form of discipline.

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Posted : September 28, 2012 9:46 am
terry
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IMHO, the decline of Corporal punishment goes right along with the decline of our schools. I got smacked I few times and deserved it each and every time. I would not think about telling my folks about it as they would side with the teacher.
Today little Johnny / Sally comes home and tells that they were punished and the parents want to sue the school and teacher.
There is little discipline or order in many of the classes because of a few, many who have no discipline at home either.

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Posted : September 28, 2012 11:09 am
vicanuck
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Apparently they are not using it enough here in the VI.

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Posted : September 28, 2012 12:20 pm
OldTart
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IMHO, the decline of Corporal punishment goes right along with the decline of our schools. I got smacked I few times and deserved it each and every time. I would not think about telling my folks about it as they would side with the teacher.
Today little Johnny / Sally comes home and tells that they were punished and the parents want to sue the school and teacher.
There is little discipline or order in many of the classes because of a few, many who have no discipline at home either.

I'm with you. I never did get my knuckles rapped with the old wooden ruler and few did as discipline was HUGE. If you were bad and sent to stand outside the classroom door as punishment, just the sight of the Headmistress's looming presence appearing around the corner was enough to turn you into a quivering mass of jelly!

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Posted : September 28, 2012 12:33 pm
gringojj
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Pretty much all dictators now and in the past have used violence as a way to keep their people in order and it seems to work great!

Wouldnt it be great if a police officer saw you talking on your phone while driving they could just pull you over and start beating on you. It would only really be fair though if the officer was 250 pounds and the offender was like 125. Really put the hurt on them and make sure everyone driving by sees it. People would be sure to obey the rules! Beat the kids in school, the parents on the street, it would be great!

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Posted : September 28, 2012 1:24 pm
blu4u
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Child abuse. Plain and simple.

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Posted : September 28, 2012 1:36 pm
loungestx
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Allowed or not if someone hit my child I would beat their ass! That is for real.

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Posted : September 30, 2012 12:12 am
Alana33
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Allowed or not if someone hit my child I would beat their ass! That is for real.

Which is why there is so much violence.

Seriously, between the parents lack of any attention, school involvement or dedicated discipline at home and what teachers must deal with here or anywhere else, for that matter - a smack on the palm with a ruler or standing in a corner or after school detention or any punishment to avert bad behavior, as long as it is not over the top, is not so bad a thing when you have your "children" carrying weapons and killing each other - I'd opt for school discipline any day since they obviously are not getting it at home.
If your child has been properly raised, this is not an issue.
If you have a the "I will beat their ass" attitude towards anyone - you may be the problem in your child's life.

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Posted : September 30, 2012 12:37 am
gringojj
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As parents we have an instinct that goes deep into our evolutionary past to protect our children. Just as a mother bear protects her cubs, I would hope all of us would do for our children. The feeling of wanting to attack someone who has harmed your child is completey normal. I agree that the breakdown in our schools is the result of lack of proper parenting. Many kids today are not taught to respect their teachers, and many times when there is an issue at school the parents will side with the kids which sets a bad example. But we as parents and as a society need to figure out how to deal with the problem. Violence is not the answer. How much sense does it make? We are supposed to teach our kids when they are young that smacking, hitting, or using objects is ok if its an adult doing it to a child. But then as they get older we have to teach them that its not okay to do it as an adult to an adult. But when they are adults its now ok for them to hit children? Come on, the logic just isnt there. We cant really control what goes on at home, but we can control what goes on in our schools. If a boy goes home every night and sees his dad hit his mom, then comes to school and gets hit and sees other kids get hit by teachers, the child is most likely going to repeat the violence he has seen growing up as he gets older. Alana, you refer to "over the top" punishments. The problem with setting rules for teachers to hit kids is that some will take it too far. As parents we all know the frustrations you can deal with raising even 1 child. Now imagine a teacher with 30 kids in their class everyday. I give them alot of credit but I do not want some person that I dont really know having a green light to take out their frustrations on my child. There should be no gray area when it comes to this subject.

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Posted : September 30, 2012 1:19 am
sheiba
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Allowed, permitted in 19 states, not necessarily enforced or maybe used as a last resort and with parental permission
Abuse...plain and simple.

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Posted : September 30, 2012 1:31 am
Alana33
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Allowed, permitted in 19 states, not necessarily enforced or maybe used as a last resort and with parental permission
Abuse...plain and simple.

If there was not an obvious need for disipline in schools and parents had more participation, this would non issue.
Sure, let your kids carry guns, knives, bully, torture, be rude and obnoxious to one and all and most importantly waste eveyone else's time and energy trying to teach those that really are there to learn and are smart and not emotionally handicapped by their home life so that they must take it out on anyone in their path in overcrowded conditions to the already undereducated children that they will set their sights on.
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Posted : September 30, 2012 1:42 am
blu4u
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Holy smokes! I've seen alot of bad behavoir in my day, but I've NEVER been tempted to hit a child. Good Grief. Do you really think beating ( an already angery/sad) kid will bring out his/her gentle loving nature? Kids absorb 10% of what we (adults/parents) tell them and 90% of what we show them. What kind example does controlling with voilence set?
Cripes on a cracker, if corpral punishemnt worked, the VI would have the lowest crime rate under the US flag. Instead we a culture in the territory which accepts a 1 : 2,500 murder rate as normal.

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Posted : September 30, 2012 1:58 am
gringojj
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Alana schools exist to TEACH our children, teachers and administrators are not the students parents and should not be harming the children because there parents are failing. The enviroment they are in should be a peaceful one where they can learn and grow without violence of any sort. If a child is a problem then the school must deal with it with the parents involvement. I dont claim to have all the answers on how to fix a society that has little rules on parenting, but abusing the child is not the answer. Violence begets violence, and if we teach are children violence we cant be upset as a society that they use it.

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Posted : September 30, 2012 2:17 am
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